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Re: Yet more on...Re: Most natural sounding p/u & amp?

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Posted by Monte on November 15, 2001 at 10:05:17:

In Reply to: Yet more on...Re: Most natural sounding p/u & amp? posted by Jim on November 15, 2001 at 01:29:17:

: I've found that, like most amps, it's neutral up to a certain volume, then it tends to get that "speaker pointing into the floor sound"... too hard to describe more than that here. Yes, it could be the Realist, but I don't have the same problem with the GK or any board mixes with it.

I'll try the Contra with a mic soon; I prefer a mic over all these dumb pickups anyway, I just get to lazy to drag more stuff on gigs and tours.

: >>IMHO, you can't say that just because lots of good and famous bassists use the Realist, that it is the be all end all of pickups.<<

>>>It depends what kind of sound you want. If you want the sound of the bass singing through its throat, the f holes, I haven't heard any other PUs that beat it.

Try a Schertler Dyn-B. It's a contact mic. I A/B'd it with my AKG D112, and on tape you couldn't tell which was the mic.

>>>The last thing I want is to sound like a horn with somethng like a Fishman, with no kick and an unrealistic sustain. That's the trouble with so many of these PUs, they amplify the strings, not the bass! I think that's why so many guys have gone back to gut strings and no amp or some mic.

Yeah, that is what I do. I don't mean that you shouldn't have a deep, dark sound, mine certainly is. However, I think the Realist tries to approximate this by amplifying the top of the bass, and the result is often an unclear sound. No one YET here has answered my question; have you ever listened to your Realist from 50' away? Just because it's gut string and a mic does not mean a muddy sound, it means a less sustained sound, which I prefer. I hope you didn't get the idea I like the Fishman, I can't stand it.

>>>>> think the function of the bass is to be crystal clear out front, at least while as a member of the rhythm section. We're the heartbeat of the band and (hopefully) important time keepers, at least I try to be in the music I'm involved with, mainstream jazz.

And this can't be done with being able to hear individual pitches?

: >>Once again, if you guys get some one to play your bass with your band while you sit in the audience and are satisfied, then you have the right rig.<<

: That might work if you find someone that plays just like you. Have you noticed how someone like Ray Brown can make a bass kick to the back of the room, then someone else plays it and it sounds like a wet sock and dies 10 feet away?

Are you saying you don't know anyone who plays better and projects better than you? It doesn't have to be Ray Brown. I can project; I've worked on it rigorously, but I'm no Ray Brown. Twice in the past year I've had situations come up where the amp lost all power or I forgot to plug my mic in for the first song. The band didn't know because I knew how to dig in and get through it. Until about 2 years ago, I relied on amps for my volume and sound. Now my gear is as nuetral sounding as possible. I want the last table at the back of the club to hear me as clear with the same sound as I hear in my practice room.

As I've said before, if you like the Realist, more power to you. I'm not the only one who has made this observation, some well known luthiers hav as well, so I'm in pretty good company. On the Contra, like anything it will lose nuetral sound if the volume is pumped. I would use a second cab if I had to put the volume more than 70%, which I've never needed t do. Volume comes from my hands. My .02


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