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Posted by Ed on March 02, 2000 at 15:34:20:
In Reply to: Re: Stacked Triads ??? posted by Gary Granger on March 02, 2000 at 11:53:39:
: : : : So, stacked triads is a term concerning chordal instruments and not the bass (no chords for the most part)?
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: : From Carol Kaye.
: : Stacked triads help you find your substitute chords and solo materials (for guitar, piano etc.) and on bass they are necessary practice for not only substitute solo licks but to train your ear to hear chords, and chord changes. And yes, you do change to the pivotal b5 (commonly known as a tritone) on the last part of the bar, sometimes in the whole bar, depending on the length of the chord changes previously. No, you do NOT fit every chordal note "into" each chord perfectly, that's a fallacy, taught by people who have no concept of the ever-moving concepts of playing jazz (jazz btw is the theory used in much of pop music today), totally not. When you play D7, you can always change it to D7-9, D+, D7b5, Am7, Ab9 (pivotal b5 chord) whatever is your fancy on guitar and piano (solo instruments also, sax, etc.) and on bass, you can also move chords around, but you better get a big handle on how chords MOVE, the cyclic movements that are in most standards, how you can back-cycle, the common substitute chords, and bbefore that common good walking patterns. It's a whole study, not one you want to learn from a beginner themselves. D7 can always be changed to D7b9 (D7-9) same notes as Abo, and D7 can be changed to D7-5-9 too, same notes as Ab7, and vice-versa. Things like that you need to know before you can understand the common chord substitutions. Plus when you practice the stacked triads: G7 is (in triad form): G Bm-5 Dm F Am C Em etc. only then will you hear the complete G7 chord. On the bass, much-needed for ear training, but learn it from someone who is well-versed in chordal progression, many (maybe even most) bass teachers are not well-versed in chordal progressions like the older teachers were....be selective in your teacher. Run to the exit if they teach only scales.
: Iím a little unclear on the stacked triad thing. Let me preface this question by saying that Iím relatively new to understanding music theory. But, after visiting the Bass Work (Just Chords) web page suggested by Johnny in this thread, the authorís explanation of the stacked triad seems inaccurate. Iíve always viewed a triad as the 1-3-5 (and 1st and 2nd inversions) intervals of a particular scale? Isnít what weíre talking about here ďstacked 3rdsĒ?
: For instance with Cmaj triad: C (3rd interval) E (3rd interval) G, thus 1-3-5
: I donít mean to split hairs here, again Iím new at this. And I plan on buying your sight reading instruction material (book or video, I canít remember which) soon, so look for me at your web site. Thanks for your help, youíre a tremendous asset to this page.
Well, no, Gary. Check out Carol's answer a little more carefully. The stacked thirds is what gives you a triad. Stacked triads give you the extensions of the chord.
: Gary Granger
: P.S. Did you ever think those white go-go boots would be back in style:)
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