Posted by Ed on April 12, 2000 at 16:16:26:
In Reply to: Re: Improvisation posted by Pat Harrington on April 11, 2000 at 18:31:41:
: Sorry if this sounds a little pissier THAN THE OTHER TWO TIMES I TYPED IT IN AND HAD IT DISAPPEAR!!! I just hate server problems...
ANYWAY, I think it generally went something like this
"allegations?" Well , maybe statement more than allegation, but it still went something like jazz bassists who don't play melodically but all scales, etc. And I basically just wanted to know if you were making that statement cause you heard a jazz record once, or because you listen to a lot of jazz, or because you can sing alla Lester's solos from memory.
"sole reason to play music" You were the one that started talking about "people gotta raise families". All I said was that if yer primary concern was with making money, then you have decided to compromise yer artistic concern
"chip on yer shoulder" Yeah, I know you didn't say anything specifically, it just seemed to be the general tone of yer posts.
"jazz snobs" I don't think snobbery is limited to jazz musicians. Most of the cats I know are pretty open to all kinds of music. Now admittedly my experience of jazz musicians is only MY experience but, living in New York, it's a pretty varied scene, cats from all over the country and all over the world. But they all ended up here, so I get to meet the ones who had the whatever to come to a scene that's pretty wide open. As an aside, there was a pretty interesting discussion over at jazzcorner.com about a newspaper article chronicaling the problems that the Thelonius Monk Jazz Institute was having after moving from the East coast to LA. So it may be a geographic thing.
Me personally, I listen to a lotta different shit. Some of it grabs me, some doesn't. I don't think anybody (outside of music school geeks) decides ahead of time what they are going to like or not like, different stuff just speaks to you. If you dig harmonically challenging music, stuff that's basically one tonal center isn't gonna appeal to you, especially if there isn't much going on melodically. I take what I do very seriously and I do have a problem with somebody who wants me to take them seriously but isn't willing to put in the amount of work to deal with the material at hand. But I don't think that's snobbery ya wanna meet a snob talk to some section violinists. Especially if they are also doctors.
"don't need ..yer resume" OK, you just seemed to be voicing yer remarks as if I just stepped off the boat. I generally like to know who I'm talking to, thought you might like to as well.
"one idiom is more valid or valuable than another" Hmmm. So paintings by Vermeer, Howard Finster, and my niece have the same validity or value (moral, not financial)? Well, maybe. They are all the manifestation of free, creative expression. But do they all show the same depth of understanding of how to communicate meaning and emotion, manipulation of material, and creative focus? I don't think so. And if what I want to do is try reach whatever creative depth I can by painting, am I not going to place more "value" on those artists and works that have those qualities I am trying to achieve?
"When did I rag on you" Well like I said earlier, the general tone seemed to be
"well I done everything, who are you to tell me any different". No big thang, I just wanted to say that there is just as much reason, if not more, to check out what jazz players are doing (the subject was IMPROVISATION) and wanted to address the statement you made.
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